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Saint and Sage

 

 

Sufis make a great distinction between the word 'saint' and the word 'sage'. And there IS a great distinction. They are not synonymous. Notwithstanding what your dictionaries say. they are not synonymous.

 

Man can ordinarily have two kinds of character. One is the negative character: the character of the criminal, the character of the anti-social, the character of the rebellious. Another is the positive character: the character of the conventional, orthodox. respectable.

 

The criminal will be punished, will be thrown into prison if caught. The society will try to destroy him because he is a danger to the society. He is disobedient. He is trying to assert himself and the society does not like that. The society exists by destroying individuals; the society can exist only by destroying individuals. The society has more power if there are no individuals around. If there are individuals then the power is less and less and less. If the whole society consists of individuals then there will be no power in the authorities -- there will be no power in the priest or the politician. So the society tries to crush. uproot, destroy the anti-social. the immoral -- the individual who wants to have his own morality, who wants to do his own thing. The society is very murderous about the negative. And naturally, on the other hand, the society respects the positive.

 

If you follow the society, the society honours you. So the one, the negative character, becomes criminal, and the other, the positive character, becomes a respected gentleman. If the criminal goes on moving to the logical extreme, then he will become the devil. And if the gentleman goes on moving to the logical extreme, he will become the saint. The saint is one who is for the society, hence the society is for him. And the evil character is one who is not for the society, is only for himself -- so the society is naturally against him. But there is one thing which is common to both: they are half. This has to be understood. This is one of the most important Sufi ideas: both are half, partial.

 

The saint has only the positive; he is missing the negative. That's why you will find your saints very boring; you will find your saints very flat, dull. You will find that to live with your saints for even twenty-four hours will be a great ordeal. The saint will not have any joy, he will be sad. He will never do anything wrong, he will be always good, but he will not have any song to sing. He will not have any uniqueness about him. He will be just a type, a stereotype. He will not have any unique taste of his own, he will be a conformist. He will be almost dead because the positive is bound to be dead. Unless the negative goes on playing with it, there is no joy. Life is a warp and woof between the positive and the negative. You cannot make the saint whole. Hence Sufis will not say that the saint is holy -- because he is not whole, he is half.

 

Half of him, the negative part, has been repressed, denied. All connections with the negative part have been cut. The negative is thrown into the unconscious dungeon. The saint has tried in every way not to be even aware of its existence. But it exists. There is no way to drop it. The only way to go beyond it is to absorb it, not to drop it. Let me repeat: the only way to go beyond it is to absorb it. But it needs great intelligence, it needs great understanding, wisdom, meditativeness, to transform the poison into elixir.

 

The negative is poisonous, but the poison can become medicinal in the right hands. The saint is a little stupid. You will find saints stupid, mediocre. They were not really intelligent people, otherwise they would have transformed their negative, they would have transformed all that is dangerous into a beautiful flowering. The saint will carry the negative in the unconscious.

 

So if you look through a window into the mind of a saint while he is asleep, you will be surprised. He's doing things which you could not even have thought about him. In dreams the saint will become the negative. There will be a shift, a total shift, from the positive to the negative -- because the negative also needs a little play, a little activity. So you will find that the dreams of the saints are very criminal. That's why saints are very much afraid to sleep. They go on reducing their sleep because it is the only thing where they are without any control. The moment they fall asleep the control is lost. The conscious goes to sleep and the unconscious take possession, and the unconscious is the negative.

 

And they are very much afraid because in the unconscious are repressed sexuality, murderous instincts, anger, rage, hatred -- all kinds of scorpions and snakes and poisonous beings. They all start bubbling up, surfacing. Saints are very much troubled by sleep, because sleep brings one fact home, and brings it home very clearly -- that the unconscious or the negative has not been destroyed, it is still there. Saints have great nightmares.

 

The criminal, the anti-social, the rebellious, the negative personality is also half. The negative people are the ones who become great politicians, sometimes great revolutionaries, and release great negative poison on the world. An Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin or Benito Mussolini or Mao Tse Tung -- these are the negative type people. They are just the opposite of the saint, but in one way almost the same -- they are as half as the saint is. The difference is only one: what the saint has made the unconscious, they have made their conscious, and what they have made their conscious the saint has made the unconscious.

 

Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler are not different from Mahatma Gandhi. The only difference is that what is repressed in Mahatma Gandhi is expressed in Adolf Hitler, and what is expressed in Adolf Hitler is repressed in Mahatma Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi goes on repressing the negative, Adolf Hitler goes on expressing the negative. Adolf Hitler and Mahatma Gandhi are exactly the same type of person. One is just standing on his head doing a sirshasana, a headstand -- but the type is exactly the same. There is no difference. And you will be surprised to know that these great criminals have beautiful dreams, far more beautiful than the saints can ever have, because their repressed positivity comes out in their dreams. In their dreams they become great saints. They do great good things to humanity.

 

These are the two ordinary types of people: the saint and sinner. They go together. In a world where there are no more sinners there will be no more saints. In a world where there are no more saints there will be no more sinners. They are partners in the same business. They exist together, they help each other. Without the one the other cannot even exist, cannot survive. The sinner gives definition to the saint and the saint gives definition to the sinner.

 

The sage has a totally different kind of consciousness. It is whole it is not a choice. It is neither positive nor negative, it has absorbed both. It is total acceptance. Whatsoever has been given by God has to be transformed into one unity. Man has not to choose but to accept. And remember, by acceptance I don't mean tolerance. When you tolerate something you have not really accepted it. You say, 'What can be done? It is there, so okay, I will tolerate it. If it cannot be dropped, if it cannot be destroyed, then I will have to tolerate it.' Remember, acceptance is not just tolerance. Acceptance is joyful welcome -- 'What-soever God has given must have some meaning although I may not be able to see the meaning Of it right now. I will have to search for it.' But there is a tacit understanding that whatsoever is given must have some meaning, otherwise it would not have been given in the first place.

 

With this understanding a sage is born. A sage is a holy man because a sage is whole. He does not deny his sexuality, he does not deny his anger, he does not deny anything at all. He accepts everything with deep understanding, gratitude, welcome. And in that very understanding, in that very welcoming attitude, things start changing. A great alchemical change happens. This miracle happens in a sage -- anger becomes compassion. Anger plus understanding is equal to compassion, sex plus meditation is equal to samadhi.

 

There is a part which is carrying all the seeds of meditation, and there is another part which is carrying all the seeds of sexuality. The sinner denies the meditative part and accepts the sexual part; the saint denies the sexual part and accepts the meditative part. But both remain lopsided. The sage accepts both, brings them together -- meditativeness and sexuality -- and watches a great miracle happening in himself, the greatest. As meditativeness and sexuality come close suddenly there is a change -- they become one flame. And that one name has a totally new quality.

 

It is just like when hydrogen and oxygen meet, you have water. Now this is a miracle -- a miracle in the sense that oxygen does not have the qualities of water, neither does hydrogen. But when hydrogen and oxygen come close, get into a loving embrace, become one unity, suddenly a new quality arises in existence which was not in either of the components. You can drink as much oxygen as you want but your thirst will not go. And you can drink as much hydrogen as you want and your thirst will not go. But water is nothing but H20. Then water has something which is not contained in the parts. Something new has happened: the parts have disappeared into something new. A higher synthesis has been arrived at.

 

That's what I mean by organic transformation. Whenever two things meet, if there is a real meeting, a third thing is born. When a man and a woman meet and love, a child is born. Now the child will not have the qualities of the father and will not have the qualities of the mother.

 

The child will have his own qualities, the child will be a unique individual. You cannot just reduce the child to the qualities of the parents. You cannot say, 'This quality comes from this parent, this quality comes from that parent -- and the child is just a sum total of it.' No. If the child is just a sum total of the parents then there is no soul. The child must be something more than the sum total of the parents, only then is there a soul.

 

Water is something more than the sum total of H20.

 

Only when two opposites meet does this organic trans-formation happen. Man and woman meet, then a child is born. A child cannot be born from a meeting of a man with another man, or a woman with another woman. Similars cannot create only opposites.

 

Now meditativeness and love are opposites. Meditativeness needs aloneness, love needs the other. Sexuality and meditation are opposites. Sexuality is a desire, a continuous desire, unfulfilled -- it remains unfulfilled. And meditation is desirelessness. These are opposites. When they meet, suddenly there is a flare-up. Something happens which was not contained in either.

 

The saint is just meditative. He is carrying one part -- hydrogen or oxygen. The sinner is just sexual, he's carrying another part. When the saint and the sinner meet in you, the sage is born. When the polarities meet in you in deep embrace, are lost into each other, lose all definitions, merge, become one, the sage is born in you. The sage is the rarest flowering in existence. The saint is a faraway echo of it, as far away as the sinner.

 

So Sufis say that the sage is not a saint. You can find many saints, that is very easy. Saints are a social phenomenon. But to find a sage is difficult because the sage is as individual as the criminal and as cosmic as the saint. He is both together. In the sage, God and Devil meet and lose all their identities. That is the highest meeting. There is no higher meeting than that. This moment of meeting within you of the sinner and the saint, of the negative and the positive, is the moment of samadhi.

 

The sage is no-mind. The sinner is negative mind, the saint is positive mind, the sage is no-mind. The sinner lives in constant duality. He has to fight with his saint, remember it. The sinner has continuously to fight with his saint, because the saint IS there. The sinner is going to kill somebody and the saint says, 'Don't do this, this is not right.' He has to fight. His fight is as arduous as the fight of the saint. The saint has to fight the sinner. If somebody insults him and a great desire to kill him arises, he has to fight with that desire. He cannot do it, he is a saint, he is a holy man, he is a religious man -- this and that. Both go on fighting. They have to because they live in the duality, and the repressed part goes on taking revenge. It waits for the right moments to assert itself.

 

In the sage there is silence, there is no duality. The sage becomes a silent shrine. There is no longer any conflict, any antagonism. There is no longer any war going on in him. There is utter peace. That's what Sufis call ISLAM. There is utter peace, silence. Those warring elements have disappeared into unity. The marriage has happened.

 

-Osho, "Sufis: The People of the Path, Vol 2, #15"

 

 

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    Do all enlightened masters sound as egoistic as you do?

    Question : Do all enlightened masters sound as egoistic as you do? It is bound to be so. They sound egoistic because they cannot be humble in the sense you understand humility. Try to understand. It is a delicate point. Whatsoever you call h...
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    Nanak and Kabir and others have stressed one point - seek a living guru

    Understand that Nanak has glorified the guru to a great extent. All saints have sung the glory of the guru, placing him above the scriptures. If the guru says something that is not found in the Vedas, forget the Vedas, because the guru is th...
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    On Disciple And Discipleship

    On Disciple And Discipleship One of the most beautiful phenomena in the world is that of being a disciple, because now you know what rapport is. Now you breathe, inhale, exhale with the master; now you lose your boundaries and become one wit...
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    Coming close to a Master certainly creates fear

    Question : I see in myself and even in this commune so much unconscious fear of change. Is your approach not Utopian? Will there ever will be anybody willing to form one world government with all its implications? Anywhere, at any time, with...
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    Can the Master really save the disciple?

    Question 3: Can the Master really save the disciple? Certainly, absolutely… if the disciple is really a disciple he is already saved. It is not that first you have to be a disciple and then you will be saved – in your very being a disciple y...
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    Could we say that Ramakrishna exploited Vivekananda?

    Question : Could we say that Ramakrishna exploited Vivekananda? It could be said but it should not be said, because the word conveys an idea of condemnation behind it. He did not exploit him to gain something selfish for himself; his idea wa...
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    on Mary Magdalene and Judas

    Remember Mary Magdalene? She seems to me the only true follower of Jesus. Her authenticity, her daring, is immense. Jesus had come to her house and she poured precious perfume on his feet, washed the feet with the perfume, then wiped the fee...
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    on Communion between Master and Disciple

    Prem means love, satsang means a communion with the Master -- a loving communion with the Master. Sannyas is a declaration from your side that you are ready to receive. If the door is knocked on you are ready to open it. If you are called fo...
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    What are the qualities of the Seeker of truth?

    Question 1: Osho, What are the qualities of the Seeker of truth? Every child is born with an innate search for truth. It is not something learned or adopted later on in life. Truth simply means, “I am, but I do not know who I am.” And the qu...
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    on Initiation – In initiation, you are more important than the technique

    Question : You have been explaining many meditation methods to us. However, Isn’t it true that no method can be all that powerful unless one is initiated into it? A method becomes qualitatively different when you are initiated into it. I am ...
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    Guru means one who is weight-full, centered, rooted, and has the quality of gravitation.

    Question : Osho, Are you no guru at all or are you the rich man’s guru? From my side, I am no guru at all. The word guru has become almost condemnatory. The root meaning of the word is beautiful. The word originally means one who is more con...
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    on Instant Enlightenment and False Gurus

    Question : So many people are looking for instant enlightenment these days and there are all these gurus running around saying ‘follow me’ and yet it is questionable whether the answer is there. What do you attribute this to? Every age has i...
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    Be my Disciples but not my Followers

    Chuang Tzu always watched monkeys. He was deeply interested in them because they are the forefathers of man. And a monkey is hidden in you! This whole world is nothing but a monkey mountain, all around are monkeys. What is the characteristic...
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    My people, once they become enlightened, are going to be masters

    I could say that not only you all will be enlightened; you all will be masters. All enlightened people have not been masters, but I can say with tremendous guarantee that my people, once they become enlightened, are going to be masters, for ...
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    To live purposelessly is the way of being religious

    [A visitor says he is confused about the master-disciple relationship. He doesn’t know if he is ready for the spiritual path.] Mm mm. A few things…. First: there is no purpose in life. All search for purpose is bound to fail. To live purpose...
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    The teacher gives you much to dream about, to desire about; the Master hammers on all your dreams and destroys them

    Beware of the scholars; they are the most stupid people around. But they talk beautifully, and if you are not alert you can be very easily deceived by them. They recite Koran, they recite Bhagavad Gita, they quote the Vedas, the Upanishads, ...
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    Will you please tell us why krishnamurti is against techniques, whereas shiva is for so many techniques.

    Question 3: Will you please tell us why krishnamurti is against techniques, whereas shiva is for so many techniques. Being against techniques is simply a technique. Not only Krishnamurti is using that technique, it has been used many times b...
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    The master can create a certain atmosphere, a certain energy field

    (Meditation is as easy as pie, as Osho tells a new sannyasin, who has been riding a unicycle around the ashram.) It is slipping out of your mind like a snake slips out of its old skin. It is not a science, it is an art or, to be even more pr...
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    Unless you are in love with a Master, you will not allow him to wake you up

    Question : How do i find my way? Rashid, There is no way to be found, and there is no one to find it – and there is no need either. The very idea of the way misleads, misguides. The way is possible only if God is far away; if there is a dist...
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    The master does nothing. His presence is a catalytic agent, a very indirect persuasion

    If you look around, there are pretenders who are ready to take all your responsibilities -- of this life, of past lives, of future lives. All that you have to do is to believe in them, to follow them -- blindly. Blindness has been up to now ...
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    Disciplehood is a paradox, birth – death together

    Deva means divine, jurgen means a farmer. Life is an opportunity, just a seed. One can miss it, one can remain a seed; that will be the missing of the opportunity. One has to seek the right soil. One has to be a farmer; One has to learn how ...
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    After me it is going to be really difficult to be a master.

    Question 1 Osho, You have described how the ability to communicate his experience is the essence of the master. yet in you something even more beautiful has happened. Buddha conveyed his message to a select few thousand men in the local pali...
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    Your relationship with your disciples seems to be unique among the religions?

    Question 1 Osho, Your relationship with your disciples seems to be unique among the religions. would you say something about this? It is unique, for the simple reason that it is not a relationship at all. We will have to go deep into the ver...
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    Whenever the disciple is ready, the master appears

    Deva means divine, agya means order or commandment – a divine order. Man cannot choose god; it is always god who chooses man. Man cannot enquire on his own, it is impossible. The desire to enquire into truth comes from the beyond; it is an o...
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    If you feel grateful towards me it is a gratitude of the mind

    Question 2: You’ve said Meditation is a flowering. and for us, the perfume of the flower is gratitude. Is there anything we can do for you? Yes. Meditation, compassion and gratitude. Whenever you are meditative, you feel blissful; whenever y...
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    on Being with a Master or Searching alone without a Master

    Question 1 : Beloved Osho, I have heard you say that seeking the truth is as ecstatic as finding it. Does that not eliminate the search? It does not eliminate the search. On the contrary, it enhances the search because it makes seeking as im...
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    Guru Purnima Day is the day of all the Buddhas

    My feeling is that EACH of you here has passed many times around such groves — sometimes a Buddha, sometimes a Mansoor, sometimes an Ali, and sometimes a Ramakrishna, a Raman, sometimes a Mahavir, a Zarathustra. You have passed! It is imposs...
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    A real religious seeker does not go in search of scriptures, he goes in search of a Master — a living Master.

    Real religion is never in the scriptures. And a real religious seeker does not go in search of scriptures, he goes in search of a Master — a living Master. That is one of the basic tenets of Kabir’s understanding: SATGURU — the living Master...
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    I am not a perfect man. Nobody can ever be perfect

    [A visitor says he is confused about the master-disciple relationship. He doesn't know if he is ready for the spiritual path.] Mm mm. A few things.... First: there is no purpose in life. All search for purpose is bound to fail. To live purpo...
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    on fake masters and their spiritual talks

    Question : How is it that people who are not enlightened can talk with such apparent inside knowledge and so convincingly about the whole business? Precisely because of that. Not knowing, they don’t hesitate; not knowing, they have nothing t...
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    Sometimes when I see you in lecture I just feel angry against you

    [A sannyasin says: Sometimes when I see you in lecture I just feel angry against you.] These things are natural. If you love me, you will sometimes be angry too. You cannot only love. When I accept your love I am also accepting your anger. Y...
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    If the master becomes a guest within you, your whole life is transformed

    All that is needed on the part of the disciple is not to repeat old patterns of many kinds of relationships with the master. Let it be a new relationship which you have never lived. Let it be absolutely untouched by your past. Let it be uniq...
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    on Dying in Master’s Presence – Physical closeness means nothing

    Question : Osho, Thoughts of death have been a frequent visitor during my disciplehood. How can a disciple die in a master’s presence, especially when the master is physically distant? Osho, is mahakashyap the only answer? The question is no...
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    Gurus and disciples are mind phenomena.

    Question 2 Yesterday, you said that mind is reality, dream is reality. then why do gurus like you take the trouble to teach us that mind is the only barrier, mind is the only obstacle? Gurus and disciples are mind phenomena. Because your min...
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    Why has there never been a single Woman Enlightened Master?

    Question : Why has there never been a single Woman Enlightened Master? A woman cannot be a Master — it is not possible. When a woman arrives she becomes a Mistress, not a Master. The fulfilment of a woman is love. The flowering of a woman is...
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    Why are there no women masters?

    Question : You, Buddha, Jesus, etc. are all men. you say women are closer to no-mind. why did you choose a man’s body? why are there no women masters? It is from Deva Chandan – of course, a woman who belongs to the lib movement. It is signif...
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    The significance of being with a master.

    Rejoice in the world! In the past we have renounced too much and the result has been nil. How many buddhas have we produced in the past? They can be counted on the fingers. Only rarely, very rarely, a man became a Buddha, Christ or Krishna. ...
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    Master is always acting; A Master is a perfect actor

    Question 10 : You said that a master sometimes has to be angry with the disciple and in that case he is acting. Is he acting also when he laughs or smiles at him? A Master is always acting; a Master is a perfect actor. He does not take life ...
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    Osho Quotes on Master

    Osho on Master The true birth is through the master. ◆ A real master teaches you unlearning. ◆ I am here just to be a midwife. That’s what Socrates used to say – that a master is just a midwife. I can help, I can protect, I can guide, that’s...
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    I can help you only if I destroy you - if I destroy your past, your knowledge, your ideas, your conditionings, your personality.

    Question : Do you know, Osho, that Mr Cecil Lewis has escaped? Poor old man. He was a nice man. But I was afraid that it was going to happen that he would escape. He has been reading my books — to read the books is one thing. And he has been...
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    Is it possible to deceive a master?

    Question 3 : Is it possible to deceive a master? YES, IF THE MASTER WILLS SO. Sometimes the Master wants to be deceived. If it is for your growth, he is ready to do anything – even to be deceived. If that is the only way to help your cheatin...
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    The only way to be around a Master. Go on losing your mind

    Questions 1 What happens to my voice when you speak to me? What is the game? The question is from Somendra. When you are really in communion with me, you cannot speak. When you are really listening to me, you will lose your voice because in ...
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    You have to eat Jesus, you have to drink Jesus

    Once surrender has happened completely, the master becomes the door for you. Then a different world of light, life and bliss opens — satchitananda Hindus have called it. The true existence, the true consciousness, and the true bliss, satchit...
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    After enlightenment there is no way for him to choose anything.

    Question : Osho, How can the world ever become a paradise when all enlightened people always choose not to be born again? Anand Anahad, one of the most fundamental things about the enlightened person is that he attains to enlightenment by dr...
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    Being a disciple means falling in deep love without any motive

    Love is the most essential quality, the fundamental quality, without which nobody can be a disciple It is easy to be a student — it needs no love, it needs only logic — because the communication between the teacher and the student is from he...
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    Master and Disciple

    The greatest art in the world is to be a disciple. It cannot be compared to anything. It is unique and incomparable. Nothing like it exists in any other relationship, nothing like it can exist. To be a disciple, to be with a master, is to mo...
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    To surrender to a Gurdjieff will transform you more than surrendering to Ramana Maharshi

    Question : Osho, Need one be absolutely sure about a Guru to become his disciple? You can never be absolutely sure about a guru, and that is not needed. What is needed is that you should be absolutely sure about yourself. How can you be sure...
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    on Psychic & Spiritual Exploitation by Fake Gurus

    on Psychic & Spiritual Exploitation by Fake Gurus Question : Is Psychic Exploitation possible in the name of Shaktipat? How is it possible And how is the Meditator to guard against it? It is possible. Much spiritual exploitation is possible ...
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